May 2, 2024
S3E3 - Categorized
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What up, guys, is your
girl Lady Stinger and we're back with another
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episode of Gem's and Tonic. Today
we are talking about the five categories that
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men put women into, and your
boy Rob doubts me that I'm not gonna
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get the categories correct. He may
be right. But there's the desperate girl,
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right, there's the good time girl, okay, there's the good enough
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girl okay, there's the dream girl
okay, and there's the out of your
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lead girl. All right, all
right, now let's talk about it.
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What we're gonna preface the whole preface, preface, the whole conversation on is
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that people have said that Beyonce is
not jay Z's dream girl. She is
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the out of your lead girl for
him. And your man Rob here does
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not agree with that because he went
with the fact that, but jay Z
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always have money and I don't think
that it's just that. But he's had
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He's always had money and status just
as long as she's had it. Mmmm.
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He was he was he who he
was before she became who she was.
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How not it was it was I
think equally she she blew up and
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surpassed him. I think quicker.
And he's she's beach, larger audience,
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more endorsements. He I believe,
saw the potential in her to again lift
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him up and make his brand bigger, and jumped on that bandwagon, which
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is what the audi e league girl
supposedly does. She brings prestige to you,
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and I think she did do that
for him. And I feel like
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him, being business savvy, being
the businessman that he is, saw that
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recognized it and capitalized off of it. I wouldn't say that he didn't choose
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someone that was gonna elevate him,
not elevate him, but can walk the
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same carpet with him. I don't
think he like if you if you mentioned
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like there's very few rappers that you
can mention that everybody knows, and he
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will be one of those ones.
Like his name would be in anybody in
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everybody's mouth, whether it be from
the ghetto to the hoity toity now,
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not even then, not when they
started dating. When did they start dating
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a long long time? Yeah?
Thanks, let me see when they started
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dating a long long time? Yeah? That that helps. You don't have
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time to be researching. You need
to come with your facts. You need
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to be ready for the debate.
I'm ready for the debate. I just
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want to. I want you because
you're sitting this made Destiney child. Can
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you keep up? Baby bye?
Bring the noise back? Then, long
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long time. So in two thousand
they got together. Mm hmmm. How
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old is Beyonce? M maybe forty
two? You think she's forty forty two?
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Yeah, you know, I'm not
part of the beehive. Sorry,
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guys, I don't know the fact
she's forty two. Look, so twenty
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two, right, m h that's
when she started becoming she was already Beyonce.
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Okay, so carrying Destiny's child.
When did Destiny's Child start m when
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she was like seventeen? Okay,
that we got you know, oh Destiney
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child. Say my name, Say
my name? So jay Z's fifty four,
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thirty four, You don't think he
was already established, well established?
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What do you mean well established?
To find well established? That's when he
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met her, well established, like
a household name, No, a local
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name. You think jay Z was
local New York? Yeah? Thirty four?
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Yeah, okay, so now he
went. What gives you the the
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feeling that jay Z was local at
thirty four? Because that's how I feel.
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And if that's how I feel.
I can imagine that, that's how
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quite a few others feel who were
not hardcore rap fans. So he put
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out his first record in ninety six
and I wasn't listening to that, and
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he put out a record like every
year after that, And you don't think
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that name how many people put out
mixtapes every year, But we are like
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the critically acclaimed albums. Now,
well, some of them were underrated at
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the time, okay, but they
he wasn't reaching the audience and the genre
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that he was reaching till what's the
Ride of Die Song? Tupac song that
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they did over him and Beyonce all
I mean, mean, what year was
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that and who did that? She
did that? She brought that attention for
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him? You think that, yeah, absolutely, she helped him reach a
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completely different audience. I don't think
she helped him reach a different, completely
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different audience, like I said,
because you know, we're varying away from
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what we're supposed to be discussing and
now we having a rap battle and I
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can't win that one because I'm not
that burst. But I'm the business aspect
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I got. But I can't tell
you years the albums and what the sales
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did, and et cetera, et
cetera. But gad, you're looking up
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a fact. Hit us with the
fact before I move on to the fact
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that she's not his dream girl,
but his out of the league girl that
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you know, pulled him up a
little bit more. Because I believe she
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did that. I believe the the
union did that. I can't see how
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when they met and she was nineteen, two years into her career. Who
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said it was two years? You
just said she was seventeen. I guess,
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just like I guessed her age.
When did Destiny's Child hit the map?
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I guessed, let's see, Destiny's
Child was I'm seeing some twenty fifteen
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numbers. What else you say that
they ended in six When did they come
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out? They came out in ninety
eight? Okay, so two years.
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Again, in two years, you
think that she became more than what he
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was? Yes, four years,
absolutely, yes, yes. Think about
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the audience. I'm thinking about the
audience. Think about who she was,
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who she attracted. Okay, she
attracted the dudes that's listening to the rap
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and the white America, Black America, the Southern Texans who was riding with
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their girl from over there New Yorker's
liked everybody jay Z was, Brooklyn,
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Texas wasn't hollering jay Z. So
jay Z sold over forty five million albums
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by that time. Okay, you
don't think how much they sold. Let's
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see, we're clearly gonna have to
do a part two to this because we're
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not getting to the facts. Come
on now, don't give me no dead
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air. What he got butterfingers.
He can't pull up the facts quick because
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I'm trying to figure out what mm
hmm, yeah, exactly more than sixty
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million, um sixty million? Uh
huh? Which forty five sixteen forty five
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sixty What does that mean? Two
years? Four years? Drag him up,
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I reach a big audience. He
recognized the potential in her and jumped
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on that, and it did boost
him. But don't care what you say.
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It didn't necessarily boost them, but
it could because you're saying they're talking
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about two different demographics. People that
are buying Destiny Child are not necessarily buying
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rap albums. My point. So, even if he didn't do it with
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her, he did. He did
album a record, a whole album with
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r Kelly. You don't think that
hit him with a broader audience. It
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tapped into something. It's still not
what he say was tapping into. Beyonce
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had white America, the people paying
for these albums, so let's let's put
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it in, and they got Black
America, the people who are waiting for
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ninety records on the radio. Beyonce
and jay Z never got together. You
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think jay Z would be less?
Yes, I absolutely do. You don't
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think he would be a billionaire by
now? No, nope. I can't
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agree with that, okay, because
once you separate the two, his status
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is an elite status. Her status
is an elite status, and you can
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again walking in the same wane.
Okay, I can't see how you would
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not see that he would get to
the upper echelon without her. You don't
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think he can have anybody and carry
anybody with him? This is Brooklyn talking.
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I just want y'all to know.
But he got Brooklyn on his back
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right now? What they I don't
think I disagree with you. I do
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not think he can put anybody on
his back and carry them. No,
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I don't. I don't. He
can't mean he can't put anybody on his
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back. That's what you asked me, So you don't think that anybody that
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he would have been with he would
still be the same person. No,
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No, that's that's what I'm saying. No, all right, well,
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I mean that's your opinion, right, we're all one, and clearly yours
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is off the wall again because he
was he was already established. He was,
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he's the elite in the rap game
and has crossed barriers because he has
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the clothing, he has the liquor
you know he has. You don't think
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she influenced all of that? Why? Why? How was she influenced?
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They're together so oh so she said, hey, you should get a liquor
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and he was like, no,
how about when he was when he was
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promoting Ace of Spades, he was
like, why am I pulling somebody else's
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I want my own? Looker,
that's when he got his own. You
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know, she wasn't having pillow talking, told him that ain't bigger, shoot
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higher. So you know what,
let me let me, let's bring you
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up, think larger, because she's
the out of your league girl. Letting
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him know that if you want to
stay with me, you need to have
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your own. Stop working for these
people. We need to create this legacy
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because I believe her management would have
been saying that, a ka, Mommy
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and Daddy. Well, as you
look up your facts and your statistics,
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can we get back to the matter
of hand. The five categories agree or
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disagree? Did this five categories?
Yes? Do you agree with those five
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categories? Okay? Why do y'all
do that? Why do they do that?
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Why does anybody separate anything? Because
some people are just like, everybody
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has an opinion on somebody else.
Now, my ugly may not be your
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ugly. My cue may not be
your cue. Some people put people in
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different categories and they might even be
in the right categories. You said,
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they might not even be in the
right categories. Yeah, they might not
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even be in the right categories.
Some people put people in categories thinking like,
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oh, I'm out of their league. Meanwhile, they out of your
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league. You know, Like people
always believe that they are at least one
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or two rungs higher than what they
are, two rungs in the categories than
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they are, Like how many how
many people do you know? They walk
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around and be like, yeah,
I'm ugly, but I'm out of people's
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league. You thought. Some people
that admit that shit, they know they
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ugly, so they got hello personality
and they rock with hell of personality.
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Yeah, but they don't they don't
necessarily say like they don't believe that they're
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not in a league. They will
still try. I've seen plenty of ly
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guys get beautiful women just because of
they had money or they had good game,
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right because they knew they were ugly, so they had to have one
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or the other. But they don't
necessarily believe that they're out of somebody's league.
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But they are definitely playing out of
their league. Okay, So when
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categorizing someone, what makes them the
the fun check or the I'm just you
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know, I'm just hitting you up
for because remember we got the desperate check.
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So you know, you're not hitting
up the desperate check, but you're
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taking the desperate chicks calls every now
and again, like you had. You
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told us, you told the audience
back in the day that who was the
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desperate check. No, you just
said you have to dump somebody at the
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restaurant. She wasn't necessarily that we
weren't getting along. That had nothing to
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do. You know, I'm trying
to think I'm trying to run back through
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you know, because I know some
people that it was with people for chicken.
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I'm just saying you will that,
And that's what they said. The
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desperate chick is the one that's that
you call when you only want something and
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she's trying to, you know,
give you this, this, that,
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and give you stuff to make you
be with her. That's the desperate chick.
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She's always getting you up. She's
trying to give you this, give
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you that. In an nex,
that's the desperate chick. So what makes
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someone the good time chick? The
one you only hooking up with and hooking
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up with out of town. You
don't want to be seen with her,
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but but you could have a good
time with her or make someone a good
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time chick. I mean if they
if you're going by the way they're categorized,
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well you agree with the category.
The time chick would be the one
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that she's not the cutest thing,
she ight not have, you know,
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the best body, but she is
still like when you when you're around her,
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you can have a good time.
You can you know, you can
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get a little bit of you on
late night. You can. You may
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even be like, how about we
go to like a getaway in like a
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Pennsylvania or something like that. She
can she can get a little out of
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town trip. But it doesn't necessarily
mean, you know, like she's she's
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just not somebody that you want around
all the time. But because she's not
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the cutest. No, it's just
it's something to do when it's nothing to
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do, something to do and is
nothing to do? You have, you
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have? You know people, let
me call shorty up. I want to
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do something, but I don't want
to be I don't want anybody to think
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more than what it is. Like
if I want to take somebody and go
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away, who can I take?
But you know, it's like I don't
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want to be I'm not in a
relationship with you, and I don't want
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you to think me in a relationship. But you know you're gonna be my
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plus one for the weekend. Okay, we'll make someone the good enough chick.
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And do you have a relationship with
the good enough check? Yeah,
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you have a you have a different
relationship, Like it depends on where you're
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at in your life. If you
are more like I'm gonna settle down mm
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hmm, then the good enough chick
can be somebody who settled down with uh
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huh. Okay, So why would
you settle down with the good enough chick
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and not your dream girl, you
can sell it. No, you settle
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down with you dream anywhere for good
enough to to you're settling down with you
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can settle down with like you you
don't. You don't settle lower than that.
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You don't settle down with the fund
ship and definitely chick. So from
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good enough to out of your league, it's somebody you can settle down with.
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Oh interesting, And does the relationship
hit the same with the good enough
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chick that it will with the dream
girl chick or the out of elite chick?
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Yeah? Why not? Because one
is good enough and one is what
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you really want and the other one
is who what you aspire the person you
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aspire to be to be with this
person. Well, the different levels of
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the women just kind of dictate which
how you're going to be. Like if
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you're if you're that, I'm just
gonna settle then you can go from the
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Then you go with the good enough, good enough check. If you have
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different aspirations, you go with the
dream girl. So what aspirations must one
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have to go with the dream girl
and not settle for a good enough chick?
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The aspirations that you know you have
to keep to be able to keep
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the dream girl and then be able
to get the girls just out of your
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league. Wait, so now you're
using the dream girl to get the girl's
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out of You're not using her to
get but I'm saying, but that's that's
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where that springboard will go from.
Like I can get my dream girl.
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Like I'm with my dream girl,
but now I need somebody out of my
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league because I aspired to be more. I'm more now, So go out
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of my league. Technically, you
be using the good enough chick to get
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to your dream girl. You don't
have to. You can stay with the
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dream girl. See and she made
sub consciously. You just said you can
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stay with the dream girl. I
asked you about the good enough chick.
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Can you talk about the dream girl? No, I said all of them.
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I just told you all of them
you can stay with. Right,
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But you're talking about catapultans. So
are you gonna use the good enough chick
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to catapult yourself to your dream girl? No? No, you can't catapult
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yourself for that. Why not because
the good enough chick you you're settling.
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You are settling, So there's nothing
I'm not looking for. Oh you know,
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try to get this amazing woman like
I'm cool with it, like where
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I am in my life, you
know, So you don't have those aspirations
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to hit that dream girl status.
You just I'm good, like I know,
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I know my my laying and I'm
gonna stay in it. You don't
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have to necessarily want to, you
know, like most people will not will
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not go too far above their league, you know, like it depends on
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your personality if you if you feel
like you can handle it, then you
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know you'll reach that I want that
dream girl. But we're talking to you,
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so oh we're talking to man.
Please league go out of my league
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all the time. Here we go
with the b as. I'm shooting shots
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all over the place, bust shots
here, bust shots there. But that's
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not it has nothing to do with
me thinking me. It's not nothing to
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do with anything but me knowing who
I am as far as my personality like
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it has like I'm I don't even
look at looks because if if if I
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had an accident tomorrow, looks or
go wait, you don't look at whose
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looks? Your looks looks like?
Because I was about to say you straight
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capping as the young people say if
you were saying you don't consider that,
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not that I mean I don't.
I don't consider looks like like looks or
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not in the forefront. For me, looks help, but they're not because
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again I might miss an opportunity with
somebody because of a look. And then
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again, who's saying that I'm everybody's
cup of tea? So I'm not.
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This person's like, how do I
turn around and say, well, I'm
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better than you? I don't feel
like that. So there's not a look
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standard because I've had it where I
thought I was a man and mother would
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be like, oh, no,
you're not, and shoot me down.
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I'm like, how back to the
drawing board, you know. And then
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of course later on they'd be like, oh, you know, I didn't
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know you were that cool. Oh
see, you didn't get me a shot
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because you went off of what you
thought I was, what you perceived me
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to be. So, like I
said to me, it's not about looks.
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It's more about a personality. Like
a personality'll send you over the top.
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Okay, so what is dream girl
status for you? What do they
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encompass? It's not looks, No, it has somebody has a head,
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a good head on their shoulders and
has aspirations and want to do more,
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Like what at this age you have
to build, like to get like like
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there's property or business or something like
that. They don't have to be like
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I'm it doesn't definitely not like oh
I wanted somebody to be to get the
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marriage and and you know, and
have the four kids in the house.
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And the already got four kids in
the house, so you know, it's
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like that's not the standard. The
standard is like, okay, what more
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can there be? So you said
business aspirations, Business aspirations basically money financial
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financial goals, right, like like
I'm cool with like I'm not necessarily just
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cool staying here, but I want
to get a little bit more or get
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a lot more. But you want
to get more like you, I want
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to I want to be comfortable.
I want to keep I want to keep
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moving forward, not staying stagnant.
So that's it. That's it what I
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was asking what all encompasses the dream
girl fa Yeah, that pretty much is
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it? Because anything else is superficial
to me, Like looks a superficial body
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is a superficial you know, like
although that's superficial, I want that that
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personality, and that that that mindset
that it's like okay, because you can
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only talk to a war so long
before you be like, all right,
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I can't do this anymore. So
you have to have something that you can
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bounce the idea off of. All
right, and what's your out of out
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of league person? Look like,
what's my There's not an out of league
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person that looks like anything to me, Like, I don't see anybody as
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out of my league. Now.
The reality is people will be like,
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oh, well, this type of
person is out of your league. But
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I think if you sat me in
a room with a person, chip away
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at them now, and if they
like, if they can put everything other
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things aside, like if it wasn't
if they believed in certain things like let's
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say they believe that I had this
kind of money or I had this kind
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of power, if they put all
of that aside, and they were just
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going off for personality and look,
I don't think there's anybody out of my
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leage personality and look mean and look
and looks, oh you think you're that
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cute. I know I'm not cute. What the hell this conversation? Just
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now? What the hell you just
said looks don't matter what it don't matter.
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I said, like, looks don't
matter to me, Like I'm not,
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I'm not stuck on. Hey,
I look amazing, and you know
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you have to you have to want
me because I look amazing. But that's
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what you just say. If they
could go on personality and looks right,
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personality, it looks, I think
they're not anyone that's out of my leap,
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Like I'm I'm I'm I'm confident enough
in myself that I don't think there's
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anybody out of my leap. You
know, delusion is a thing and it
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can be all right, okay,
Right, So there's there's the five categories.
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You say they exist. They are
definitely a thing. They're definitely a
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thing, and through the five categories
change with age. I'm pretty sure.
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I'm pretty sure that if fifty and
up be like, you know what,
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the desperate girl is looking kind of
good right now. Wow, you go
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to the bottom of the room and
be like wow, you know, like
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you're looking for companionship that desperate girl, you know, fulfill that need.
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You should never lower your standards.
I didn't say me. If we're talking
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to you, you are our guinea
pig in this and this you are to
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do with me? Now? I'm
still standing on three and higher? What
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what you got? Now? Where
are you at? Yeah? Where you
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at? You at good enough?
I'm at one. You said three higher?
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Yeah, well I settled. Don't
be trying to tell nobody out there.
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I'm a desperate chick. There's no
way, no way you want to
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rephrase that. Let's let's clear it
up for the people. No, you
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you were definitely I could put you
at a four. You're definitely a dream
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girl because you know you have the
aspiration. What war you lucky? You
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got four? You could have got
a three? Why would I get a
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three? Because you just like that
four? Like you think you that you?
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Oh so wait, you're the only
one in this relationship that's supposed to
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have confidence. No, I don't
know. Oh, because your girl is
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confident, No doubt about that.
There's no doubt in my mind that you're
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not confident. I'm not confident that
you. I mean that you are.
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Well you see what I do not
at all? All right, you are
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one under confident. Yeah. It
took a lot to get because I'm like,
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you're not confident? No, you
are confident? Okay, all right,
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well, thanks for clearing up the
categories for us, and you know,
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letting us know that you guys automatically
put us in a box, and
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we don't automatically put your all the
box. Y'all put yourselves in the boxes.
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Yeah, y'all do, y'all put
yourselves in the boxes. We just
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have the label. Is that right? That's right? Like y'all sit there,
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y'all know who y'all are when y'all
step up. Okay, So I
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automatically was in a dream girl box
when I holler yeah really yeah, because
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you you you had the confidence already, you had the aspirations. You were
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who you were before you met me, So it had nothing to do with
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me. So like if it was
me or somebody else, you would have
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still been one hundred confident in yourself. Okay, so you already you already
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have your box. So you don't
think people change based on who they're dealing
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with, Like you don't think for
somebody else, I might be the good
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enough or the fun girl, because
I'm sure I've been somebody's fun girl in
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life, but that would probably be
something that you choose. Like you,
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you, I don't think you were
the type of person that would be like,
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I want to be the fun girl, unless you wanted to be the
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fun girl. If you had,
if you had an idea like I want
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to be I want to be in
this relationship, then you would have been
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that dream girl with the aspirations.
But they wasn't necessarily on that page.
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But you chose, you know what, I'm gonna go ahead and be the
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fun girl or a good enough girl. So you're trying to say, again,
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that is on me to be that
that that person chooses which level they
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want to play at. Women,
right, you're saying men can't put them
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in a box that they don't allow
themselves to be in. You're saying the
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women will not allow men to put
them in the box that they do not
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choose to put them in a box, any box that they want to put
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them in it. But woman to
be allowed to Okay, this is the
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box that you're gonna put me in. She has to ask for it,
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not you know, but she has
to command. Okay, Well, I
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thought she was the you know,
the good time girl, but clearly she's
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a dream girl. So her actions
will dictate what box she's actually in.
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Even if you had miscategorized her,
right, Okay, you could have you
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could. You can easily miscategorize you
trying to follow her in the desperate but
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then you realize, now she's just
to go get her and I was seeing
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it wrong. Okay, all right, good talk. I like this one.
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This was this one was insightful.
Yeah, anyway, we're gonna wrap
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it up. That was another episode
of Gems and Tonic. I think we
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got hit with a couple of gems
tonight. I mean, you're gonna keep
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living life and laughing at it.
Yeah. Later, two suits
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What up, guys, is your
girl Lady Stinger and we're back with another
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episode of Gem's and Tonic. Today
we are talking about the five categories that
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men put women into, and your
boy Rob doubts me that I'm not gonna
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get the categories correct. He may
be right. But there's the desperate girl,
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right, there's the good time girl, okay, there's the good enough
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girl okay, there's the dream girl
okay, and there's the out of your
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lead girl. All right, all
right, now let's talk about it.
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What we're gonna preface the whole preface, preface, the whole conversation on is
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that people have said that Beyonce is
not jay Z's dream girl. She is
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the out of your lead girl for
him. And your man Rob here does
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not agree with that because he went
with the fact that, but jay Z
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always have money and I don't think
that it's just that. But he's had
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He's always had money and status just
as long as she's had it. Mmmm.
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He was he was he who he
was before she became who she was.
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How not it was it was I
think equally she she blew up and
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surpassed him. I think quicker.
And he's she's beach, larger audience,
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more endorsements. He I believe,
saw the potential in her to again lift
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him up and make his brand bigger, and jumped on that bandwagon, which
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is what the audi e league girl
supposedly does. She brings prestige to you,
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and I think she did do that
for him. And I feel like
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him, being business savvy, being
the businessman that he is, saw that
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recognized it and capitalized off of it. I wouldn't say that he didn't choose
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someone that was gonna elevate him,
not elevate him, but can walk the
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same carpet with him. I don't
think he like if you if you mentioned
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like there's very few rappers that you
can mention that everybody knows, and he
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will be one of those ones.
Like his name would be in anybody in
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everybody's mouth, whether it be from
the ghetto to the hoity toity now,
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not even then, not when they
started dating. When did they start dating
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a long long time? Yeah?
Thanks, let me see when they started
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dating a long long time? Yeah? That that helps. You don't have
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time to be researching. You need
to come with your facts. You need
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to be ready for the debate.
I'm ready for the debate. I just
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want to. I want you because
you're sitting this made Destiney child. Can
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you keep up? Baby bye?
Bring the noise back? Then, long
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long time. So in two thousand
they got together. Mm hmmm. How
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old is Beyonce? M maybe forty
two? You think she's forty forty two?
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Yeah, you know, I'm not
part of the beehive. Sorry,
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guys, I don't know the fact
she's forty two. Look, so twenty
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two, right, m h that's
when she started becoming she was already Beyonce.
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Okay, so carrying Destiny's child.
When did Destiny's Child start m when
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she was like seventeen? Okay,
that we got you know, oh Destiney
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child. Say my name, Say
my name? So jay Z's fifty four,
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thirty four, You don't think he
was already established, well established?
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What do you mean well established?
To find well established? That's when he
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met her, well established, like
a household name, No, a local
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name. You think jay Z was
local New York? Yeah? Thirty four?
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Yeah, okay, so now he
went. What gives you the the
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feeling that jay Z was local at
thirty four? Because that's how I feel.
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And if that's how I feel.
I can imagine that, that's how
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quite a few others feel who were
not hardcore rap fans. So he put
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out his first record in ninety six
and I wasn't listening to that, and
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he put out a record like every
year after that, And you don't think
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that name how many people put out
mixtapes every year, But we are like
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the critically acclaimed albums. Now,
well, some of them were underrated at
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the time, okay, but they
he wasn't reaching the audience and the genre
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that he was reaching till what's the
Ride of Die Song? Tupac song that
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they did over him and Beyonce all
I mean, mean, what year was
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that and who did that? She
did that? She brought that attention for
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him? You think that, yeah, absolutely, she helped him reach a
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completely different audience. I don't think
she helped him reach a different, completely
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different audience, like I said,
because you know, we're varying away from
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what we're supposed to be discussing and
now we having a rap battle and I
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can't win that one because I'm not
that burst. But I'm the business aspect
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I got. But I can't tell
you years the albums and what the sales
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did, and et cetera, et
cetera. But gad, you're looking up
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a fact. Hit us with the
fact before I move on to the fact
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that she's not his dream girl,
but his out of the league girl that
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you know, pulled him up a
little bit more. Because I believe she
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did that. I believe the the
union did that. I can't see how
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when they met and she was nineteen, two years into her career. Who
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said it was two years? You
just said she was seventeen. I guess,
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just like I guessed her age.
When did Destiny's Child hit the map?
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I guessed, let's see, Destiny's
Child was I'm seeing some twenty fifteen
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numbers. What else you say that
they ended in six When did they come
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out? They came out in ninety
eight? Okay, so two years.
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Again, in two years, you
think that she became more than what he
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was? Yes, four years,
absolutely, yes, yes. Think about
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the audience. I'm thinking about the
audience. Think about who she was,
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who she attracted. Okay, she
attracted the dudes that's listening to the rap
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and the white America, Black America, the Southern Texans who was riding with
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their girl from over there New Yorker's
liked everybody jay Z was, Brooklyn,
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Texas wasn't hollering jay Z. So
jay Z sold over forty five million albums
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by that time. Okay, you
don't think how much they sold. Let's
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see, we're clearly gonna have to
do a part two to this because we're
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not getting to the facts. Come
on now, don't give me no dead
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air. What he got butterfingers.
He can't pull up the facts quick because
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I'm trying to figure out what mm
hmm, yeah, exactly more than sixty
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million, um sixty million? Uh
huh? Which forty five sixteen forty five
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sixty What does that mean? Two
years? Four years? Drag him up,
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I reach a big audience. He
recognized the potential in her and jumped
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on that, and it did boost
him. But don't care what you say.
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It didn't necessarily boost them, but
it could because you're saying they're talking
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about two different demographics. People that
are buying Destiny Child are not necessarily buying
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rap albums. My point. So, even if he didn't do it with
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her, he did. He did
album a record, a whole album with
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r Kelly. You don't think that
hit him with a broader audience. It
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tapped into something. It's still not
what he say was tapping into. Beyonce
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had white America, the people paying
for these albums, so let's let's put
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it in, and they got Black
America, the people who are waiting for
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ninety records on the radio. Beyonce
and jay Z never got together. You
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think jay Z would be less?
Yes, I absolutely do. You don't
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think he would be a billionaire by
now? No, nope. I can't
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agree with that, okay, because
once you separate the two, his status
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is an elite status. Her status
is an elite status, and you can
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again walking in the same wane.
Okay, I can't see how you would
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not see that he would get to
the upper echelon without her. You don't
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think he can have anybody and carry
anybody with him? This is Brooklyn talking.
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I just want y'all to know.
But he got Brooklyn on his back
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right now? What they I don't
think I disagree with you. I do
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not think he can put anybody on
his back and carry them. No,
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I don't. I don't. He
can't mean he can't put anybody on his
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back. That's what you asked me, So you don't think that anybody that
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he would have been with he would
still be the same person. No,
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No, that's that's what I'm saying. No, all right, well,
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I mean that's your opinion, right, we're all one, and clearly yours
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is off the wall again because he
was he was already established. He was,
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he's the elite in the rap game
and has crossed barriers because he has
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the clothing, he has the liquor
you know he has. You don't think
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she influenced all of that? Why? Why? How was she influenced?
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They're together so oh so she said, hey, you should get a liquor
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and he was like, no,
how about when he was when he was
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promoting Ace of Spades, he was
like, why am I pulling somebody else's
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I want my own? Looker,
that's when he got his own. You
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know, she wasn't having pillow talking, told him that ain't bigger, shoot
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higher. So you know what,
let me let me, let's bring you
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up, think larger, because she's
the out of your league girl. Letting
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him know that if you want to
stay with me, you need to have
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your own. Stop working for these
people. We need to create this legacy
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because I believe her management would have
been saying that, a ka, Mommy
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and Daddy. Well, as you
look up your facts and your statistics,
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can we get back to the matter
of hand. The five categories agree or
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disagree? Did this five categories?
Yes? Do you agree with those five
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categories? Okay? Why do y'all
do that? Why do they do that?
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Why does anybody separate anything? Because
some people are just like, everybody
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has an opinion on somebody else.
Now, my ugly may not be your
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ugly. My cue may not be
your cue. Some people put people in
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different categories and they might even be
in the right categories. You said,
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they might not even be in the
right categories. Yeah, they might not
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even be in the right categories.
Some people put people in categories thinking like,
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oh, I'm out of their league. Meanwhile, they out of your
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league. You know, Like people
always believe that they are at least one
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or two rungs higher than what they
are, two rungs in the categories than
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they are, Like how many how
many people do you know? They walk
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around and be like, yeah,
I'm ugly, but I'm out of people's
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league. You thought. Some people
that admit that shit, they know they
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ugly, so they got hello personality
and they rock with hell of personality.
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Yeah, but they don't they don't
necessarily say like they don't believe that they're
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not in a league. They will
still try. I've seen plenty of ly
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guys get beautiful women just because of
they had money or they had good game,
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right because they knew they were ugly, so they had to have one
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or the other. But they don't
necessarily believe that they're out of somebody's league.
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But they are definitely playing out of
their league. Okay, So when
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categorizing someone, what makes them the
the fun check or the I'm just you
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know, I'm just hitting you up
for because remember we got the desperate check.
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So you know, you're not hitting
up the desperate check, but you're
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taking the desperate chicks calls every now
and again, like you had. You
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told us, you told the audience
back in the day that who was the
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desperate check. No, you just
said you have to dump somebody at the
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restaurant. She wasn't necessarily that we
weren't getting along. That had nothing to
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do. You know, I'm trying
to think I'm trying to run back through
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you know, because I know some
people that it was with people for chicken.
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I'm just saying you will that,
And that's what they said. The
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desperate chick is the one that's that
you call when you only want something and
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she's trying to, you know,
give you this, this, that,
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and give you stuff to make you
be with her. That's the desperate chick.
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She's always getting you up. She's
trying to give you this, give
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you that. In an nex,
that's the desperate chick. So what makes
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someone the good time chick? The
one you only hooking up with and hooking
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up with out of town. You
don't want to be seen with her,
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but but you could have a good
time with her or make someone a good
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time chick. I mean if they
if you're going by the way they're categorized,
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well you agree with the category.
The time chick would be the one
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that she's not the cutest thing,
she ight not have, you know,
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the best body, but she is
still like when you when you're around her,
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you can have a good time.
You can you know, you can
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get a little bit of you on
late night. You can. You may
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even be like, how about we
go to like a getaway in like a
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Pennsylvania or something like that. She
can she can get a little out of
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town trip. But it doesn't necessarily
mean, you know, like she's she's
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just not somebody that you want around
all the time. But because she's not
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the cutest. No, it's just
it's something to do when it's nothing to
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do, something to do and is
nothing to do? You have, you
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have? You know people, let
me call shorty up. I want to
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do something, but I don't want
to be I don't want anybody to think
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more than what it is. Like
if I want to take somebody and go
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away, who can I take?
But you know, it's like I don't
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want to be I'm not in a
relationship with you, and I don't want
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you to think me in a relationship. But you know you're gonna be my
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plus one for the weekend. Okay, we'll make someone the good enough chick.
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And do you have a relationship with
the good enough check? Yeah,
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you have a you have a different
relationship, Like it depends on where you're
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at in your life. If you
are more like I'm gonna settle down mm
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hmm, then the good enough chick
can be somebody who settled down with uh
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huh. Okay, So why would
you settle down with the good enough chick
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and not your dream girl, you
can sell it. No, you settle
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down with you dream anywhere for good
enough to to you're settling down with you
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can settle down with like you you
don't. You don't settle lower than that.
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You don't settle down with the fund
ship and definitely chick. So from
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good enough to out of your league, it's somebody you can settle down with.
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Oh interesting, And does the relationship
hit the same with the good enough
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chick that it will with the dream
girl chick or the out of elite chick?
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Yeah? Why not? Because one
is good enough and one is what
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you really want and the other one
is who what you aspire the person you
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aspire to be to be with this
person. Well, the different levels of
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the women just kind of dictate which
how you're going to be. Like if
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you're if you're that, I'm just
gonna settle then you can go from the
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Then you go with the good enough, good enough check. If you have
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different aspirations, you go with the
dream girl. So what aspirations must one
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have to go with the dream girl
and not settle for a good enough chick?
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The aspirations that you know you have
to keep to be able to keep
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the dream girl and then be able
to get the girls just out of your
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league. Wait, so now you're
using the dream girl to get the girl's
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out of You're not using her to
get but I'm saying, but that's that's
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where that springboard will go from.
Like I can get my dream girl.
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Like I'm with my dream girl,
but now I need somebody out of my
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league because I aspired to be more. I'm more now, So go out
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of my league. Technically, you
be using the good enough chick to get
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to your dream girl. You don't
have to. You can stay with the
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dream girl. See and she made
sub consciously. You just said you can
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stay with the dream girl. I
asked you about the good enough chick.
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Can you talk about the dream girl? No, I said all of them.
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I just told you all of them
you can stay with. Right,
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But you're talking about catapultans. So
are you gonna use the good enough chick
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to catapult yourself to your dream girl? No? No, you can't catapult
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yourself for that. Why not because
the good enough chick you you're settling.
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You are settling, So there's nothing
I'm not looking for. Oh you know,
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try to get this amazing woman like
I'm cool with it, like where
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I am in my life, you
know, So you don't have those aspirations
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to hit that dream girl status.
You just I'm good, like I know,
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I know my my laying and I'm
gonna stay in it. You don't
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have to necessarily want to, you
know, like most people will not will
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not go too far above their league, you know, like it depends on
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your personality if you if you feel
like you can handle it, then you
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know you'll reach that I want that
dream girl. But we're talking to you,
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so oh we're talking to man.
Please league go out of my league
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all the time. Here we go
with the b as. I'm shooting shots
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all over the place, bust shots
here, bust shots there. But that's
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not it has nothing to do with
me thinking me. It's not nothing to
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do with anything but me knowing who
I am as far as my personality like
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it has like I'm I don't even
look at looks because if if if I
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had an accident tomorrow, looks or
go wait, you don't look at whose
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looks? Your looks looks like?
Because I was about to say you straight
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capping as the young people say if
you were saying you don't consider that,
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not that I mean I don't.
I don't consider looks like like looks or
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not in the forefront. For me, looks help, but they're not because
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again I might miss an opportunity with
somebody because of a look. And then
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again, who's saying that I'm everybody's
cup of tea? So I'm not.
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This person's like, how do I
turn around and say, well, I'm
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better than you? I don't feel
like that. So there's not a look
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standard because I've had it where I
thought I was a man and mother would
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be like, oh, no,
you're not, and shoot me down.
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I'm like, how back to the
drawing board, you know. And then
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of course later on they'd be like, oh, you know, I didn't
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know you were that cool. Oh
see, you didn't get me a shot
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because you went off of what you
thought I was, what you perceived me
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to be. So, like I
said to me, it's not about looks.
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It's more about a personality. Like
a personality'll send you over the top.
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Okay, so what is dream girl
status for you? What do they
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encompass? It's not looks, No, it has somebody has a head,
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a good head on their shoulders and
has aspirations and want to do more,
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Like what at this age you have
to build, like to get like like
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there's property or business or something like
that. They don't have to be like
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I'm it doesn't definitely not like oh
I wanted somebody to be to get the
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marriage and and you know, and
have the four kids in the house.
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And the already got four kids in
the house, so you know, it's
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like that's not the standard. The
standard is like, okay, what more
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can there be? So you said
business aspirations, Business aspirations basically money financial
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financial goals, right, like like
I'm cool with like I'm not necessarily just
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cool staying here, but I want
to get a little bit more or get
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a lot more. But you want
to get more like you, I want
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to I want to be comfortable.
I want to keep I want to keep
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moving forward, not staying stagnant.
So that's it. That's it what I
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was asking what all encompasses the dream
girl fa Yeah, that pretty much is
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it? Because anything else is superficial
to me, Like looks a superficial body
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is a superficial you know, like
although that's superficial, I want that that
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personality, and that that that mindset
that it's like okay, because you can
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only talk to a war so long
before you be like, all right,
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I can't do this anymore. So
you have to have something that you can
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bounce the idea off of. All
right, and what's your out of out
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of league person? Look like,
what's my There's not an out of league
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person that looks like anything to me, Like, I don't see anybody as
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out of my league. Now.
The reality is people will be like,
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oh, well, this type of
person is out of your league. But
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I think if you sat me in
a room with a person, chip away
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at them now, and if they
like, if they can put everything other
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things aside, like if it wasn't
if they believed in certain things like let's
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say they believe that I had this
kind of money or I had this kind
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of power, if they put all
of that aside, and they were just
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going off for personality and look,
I don't think there's anybody out of my
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leage personality and look mean and look
and looks, oh you think you're that
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cute. I know I'm not cute. What the hell this conversation? Just
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now? What the hell you just
said looks don't matter what it don't matter.
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I said, like, looks don't
matter to me, Like I'm not,
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I'm not stuck on. Hey,
I look amazing, and you know
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you have to you have to want
me because I look amazing. But that's
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what you just say. If they
could go on personality and looks right,
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personality, it looks, I think
they're not anyone that's out of my leap,
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Like I'm I'm I'm I'm confident enough
in myself that I don't think there's
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anybody out of my leap. You
know, delusion is a thing and it
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can be all right, okay,
Right, So there's there's the five categories.
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You say they exist. They are
definitely a thing. They're definitely a
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thing, and through the five categories
change with age. I'm pretty sure.
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I'm pretty sure that if fifty and
up be like, you know what,
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the desperate girl is looking kind of
good right now. Wow, you go
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to the bottom of the room and
be like wow, you know, like
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you're looking for companionship that desperate girl, you know, fulfill that need.
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You should never lower your standards.
I didn't say me. If we're talking
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to you, you are our guinea
pig in this and this you are to
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do with me? Now? I'm
still standing on three and higher? What
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what you got? Now? Where
are you at? Yeah? Where you
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at? You at good enough?
I'm at one. You said three higher?
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Yeah, well I settled. Don't
be trying to tell nobody out there.
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I'm a desperate chick. There's no
way, no way you want to
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rephrase that. Let's let's clear it
up for the people. No, you
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you were definitely I could put you
at a four. You're definitely a dream
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girl because you know you have the
aspiration. What war you lucky? You
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got four? You could have got
a three? Why would I get a
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three? Because you just like that
four? Like you think you that you?
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Oh so wait, you're the only
one in this relationship that's supposed to
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have confidence. No, I don't
know. Oh, because your girl is
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confident, No doubt about that.
There's no doubt in my mind that you're
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not confident. I'm not confident that
you. I mean that you are.
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Well you see what I do not
at all? All right, you are
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one under confident. Yeah. It
took a lot to get because I'm like,
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you're not confident? No, you
are confident? Okay, all right,
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well, thanks for clearing up the
categories for us, and you know,
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letting us know that you guys automatically
put us in a box, and
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we don't automatically put your all the
box. Y'all put yourselves in the boxes.
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Yeah, y'all do, y'all put
yourselves in the boxes. We just
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have the label. Is that right? That's right? Like y'all sit there,
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y'all know who y'all are when y'all
step up. Okay, So I
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automatically was in a dream girl box
when I holler yeah really yeah, because
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you you you had the confidence already, you had the aspirations. You were
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who you were before you met me, So it had nothing to do with
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me. So like if it was
me or somebody else, you would have
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still been one hundred confident in yourself. Okay, so you already you already
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have your box. So you don't
think people change based on who they're dealing
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with, Like you don't think for
somebody else, I might be the good
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enough or the fun girl, because
I'm sure I've been somebody's fun girl in
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life, but that would probably be
something that you choose. Like you,
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you, I don't think you were
the type of person that would be like,
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I want to be the fun girl, unless you wanted to be the
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fun girl. If you had,
if you had an idea like I want
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to be I want to be in
this relationship, then you would have been
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that dream girl with the aspirations.
But they wasn't necessarily on that page.
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But you chose, you know what, I'm gonna go ahead and be the
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fun girl or a good enough girl. So you're trying to say, again,
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that is on me to be that
that that person chooses which level they
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want to play at. Women,
right, you're saying men can't put them
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in a box that they don't allow
themselves to be in. You're saying the
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women will not allow men to put
them in the box that they do not
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choose to put them in a box, any box that they want to put
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them in it. But woman to
be allowed to Okay, this is the
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box that you're gonna put me in. She has to ask for it,
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not you know, but she has
to command. Okay, Well, I
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thought she was the you know,
the good time girl, but clearly she's
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a dream girl. So her actions
will dictate what box she's actually in.
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Even if you had miscategorized her,
right, Okay, you could have you
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could. You can easily miscategorize you
trying to follow her in the desperate but
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then you realize, now she's just
to go get her and I was seeing
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it wrong. Okay, all right, good talk. I like this one.
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This was this one was insightful.
Yeah, anyway, we're gonna wrap
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it up. That was another episode
of Gems and Tonic. I think we
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got hit with a couple of gems
tonight. I mean, you're gonna keep
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living life and laughing at it.
Yeah. Later, two suits
